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Empowering Young Minds: Natalie Reeves-Billing’s Journey in Education & Innovation
In this episode of the We Are PoWEr Podcast, we are joined by Natalie Reeves-Billing DL, a remarkable woman with an inspiring journey in education, innovation, and leadership. Natalie, a mum of three and co-founder of Builder Book UK, shares her passion for empowering young minds and creating equitable educational opportunities. As an award-winning author, Deputy Lieutenant of Merseyside, and creator of The Animates Project, Natalie discusses her mission to bring educational resources to vulnerable families and inspire children towards fulfilling careers.
In this episode, we explore the power of storytelling, personal growth, resilience, and the importance of community. Natalie also shares insights into her many roles and how she successfully juggles multiple projects, from co-founding Builder Book UK to serving as a Governor at Everton Free School. We dive deep into her passion for educational equity, women’s leadership, and the impact of her work in underprivileged communities.
Chapters: 00:00 Empowering Stories and Superpowers
08:54 Personal Growth and Overcoming Challenges
17:46 Finding Purpose and Building Community
24:58 Innovation and Pranks
30:07 Adapting With Multiple Roles
Natalie’s career and dedication to creating pathways for future careers truly embody resilience, creativity, and impact. Join us for a conversation full of inspiration and practical advice!
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Hello, hello and welcome to the we Are Power podcast. If this is your first time here, the we Are Power podcast is the podcast for you, your career and your life. We release an episode every single Monday with listeners in over 60 countries worldwide, where you'll hear personal life stories, top-notch industry advice and key leadership insight from amazing role models. As we Are Power is the umbrella brand to Northern Power Women Awards, which celebrates hundreds of female role models and advocates every year. This is where you can hear stories from all of our awards alumni and stay up to date with everything. Mpw Awards and we Are Power Never imitated, never replicated singularly wonderful, everybody's wonder girl. Well, hello. Today I am joined by Natalie Reeves-Billing, dl. Hello, I love that we have podcasts with people with so many suffixes. I was going to say acronyms, but suffixes. Tell us what a DL is, because you were appointed last year at New War.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it's just been over a year now and it was quite a mysterious thing actually. It's still surprises me to this day, because I guess it's like a hidden world you know that you don't know about until it happens, and then all of a sudden, you're like whoa DL, dark League.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's been absolutely incredible finding out about that, but also about what they're doing and how that aligns with what I do. So the way that it works is that the King and the Crown they have, I guess, representatives in each of the counties and they place a Lord Lieutenant there and there's an awful lot of people to get around. So they're going going to need helpers like Santa's little helpers.
Speaker 1:You are elves.
Speaker 2:I'm literally an elf, my best job ever.
Speaker 1:No, I'm the height to be an elf, not you. No, that's amazing. So you are a representative.
Speaker 2:Yes, and the good thing is as well that you can use your own superpowers in the role. So there are lots of us with different skills, and so we get deployed as per our skill set, I guess, but you also get to learn new things as well, so try different things out. But it is lovely to be able to go out into the community, see all the good that's happening. And then, of course, you can't completely separate who you are from the title, and therefore a lot of the things that you know and the people you know are able to link into this opportunity as well, so it only enhances what you were already doing and we will get into some of those superpowers.
Speaker 1:But tell us, because you are so accomplished, so many stories, so many things that you are spinning stories, so many things that you are spinning, Describe, describe you in. I mean, this is an untenable task in some ways, but describe yourself in a couple of sentences. I can't say one. It's going to have to be.
Speaker 2:Imagine if I threw this back at you now. Oh, I know.
Speaker 1:You know how difficult it was going to be, but you're not.
Speaker 2:I threw this back at you now. Oh, I know you know how difficult it was going to be, but you're not so well. I guess the core of it is that I love creativity. I started out being very much a person that wanted to be a famous songwriter. I wanted to write poems and songs and sing them, and I soon realised that I actually like being a bit behind the scenes more than I like to be out. There is it's the process of creating. I like the best, and what I liked about being on the road when I was in a band back in those days was I thought that it was working towards fame. It wasn't that at all. It's just people. It's meeting new people and different types of characters. I find people so fascinating and so creativity is the main thing that I would say is the thread that runs through everything and people, so therefore it led into careers that very much include both.
Speaker 2:When I was younger, I did struggle. I think a lot of creatives do with overthinking, which leads to cases of depression and anxiety, and and so, because of that, as soon as I realized that if you inject purpose into that and some sort of better a goal for good, if you like. Uh, I never, ever felt those lows again, and so, uh, I would recommend it to anybody. The minute that you get involved in volunteering in some way or just joining with like-minded people who are out to change things, mix it up, disrupt things, then it is the key to a better and happier life. I'm not saying that I don't wake up some days and just want to go into a ball and have a little cry, but those days are less, much, much less, and so, yeah, I would say they're the things that are injected into everything I do.
Speaker 1:And I think people who know you will know you for being an award-winning author. Multiple books are we eight?
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, now that we're starting to I won't say churn them out, because that innovates, yeah. So one thing I noticed is when I was writing books for myself. So being an independently published author, it's a difficult task because you're having to take on all of the things like your marketing and all those sorts of things, and that is not the fun bit for me. It doesn't fill me up with joy. And so then getting a publishing deal and that then falls onto somebody else to do. But, however, you still have the book tours and you still have to go out there and do a lot of work with the books. And again, it's lovely.
Speaker 2:But I think my, what we've found now is, uh, is even better, which is writing books to help other people tell their stories, like businesses, uh, who are wanting to find a sort of bridge, if you like, between their sort of high-end, uh, very academic thoughts, which which are quite difficult to describe or to make sound interesting for little ones. And then you have this resource that you've created which they can then be proud of and they can use to go and target those younger children and get them inspired into the careers that we have locally. So that's been amazing One of my favourite videos. That's been amazing.
Speaker 1:One of my favourite videos that's come out over the years. It's a long, long time ago now, probably seven or eight years ago. It's called Redraw the Balance and it was something that was created which was, you know, gender stereotypes, or stereotypes in all forms, are formed around about the age of five, six, something like that. And I remember there were these three supply teachers. Go into a classroom and there's about 60 kids in the classroom and they're all looking, you know, and they're like today we're going to draw careers and they all draw, and they all draw, and they all draw and they all draw. And then the three teachers, the three women, go out the room, come back in one's a firefighter, one's a fighter pilot, and one's a firefighter pilot and one's a surgeon.
Speaker 1:And I'm always mortified by the little girl's voice that I can hear that says, oh, it's dress-up day and you know those stereotypes. And it found out that out of those 60 kids, like, only six pictures were drawn of women. And you're like this is you're tackling not only storytelling and building that bridge between education and kids' playtime with what you want to be when you grow up, because careers guidance is challenged, isn't it at the best of it? So this is innovation in process, isn't it what you're doing? It's inclusive innovation, what you're bringing to play, yeah of innovation, what you're bringing to play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the thing is, when you deal with children as young as as we work with, they haven't yet got an idea of what careers are and all they know is what they're good at and what they enjoy doing.
Speaker 2:And so really what you're trying to get is that sweet spot where you're able to make a living one day out of the things you love. And I guess you could do that by being the best you can be at the things you love and as you go along doing those things that you enjoy the most, you'll find skills that enhance that or, you know, accompany it, and so you just grow that skill a little bit as life goes on. But it's taking away that pressure as well, because if you think back to when we were kids and you think this pressure's put on you, that if you miss this year, if you miss this test, if you miss this thing, that's it. And we know that's not true, because as adults we can go back and retrain. But the thing is, I think the most important thing is that people find something they actually want to do and they're going to do it. That much better aren't they, if they wake up and the first thing they think of is can't wait for the day ahead.
Speaker 1:And where was your motivation to? Even? You are creative, clearly, you're creative when you're singing your performance. Now you're writing. You're creative when you're singing your performance, now you're writing. And not only are you writing and creating these books, but you're creating like an ecosystem that goes around them. So I was listening to you on a podcast or an interview you talked about. You know, we want to make puppet shows, we want to make you know all the bits, because you probably have a mind like mine. At times, you go we're not going to stop here, we're going to go big or go home. Right, you know it's creating the, because everyone engages in a different way, and I think that's what you want to do, isn't it With this, with the series that you're creating, is to have that other options.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I thought at one stage that I was some sort of genius that had invented the idea of these multi-platform experiences. Oh, it's called an mpex multi-platform experience. Well, it's just what's been happening for years a book happens and then a film comes and all the things that go around it. But yeah, that's what, effectively, you're trying to do, isn't it? But there are people that think first of the big picture and then, yeah, you have to have somewhere to start that leads that. So you have to be quite, you know, lean with the first sort of test into the market, but you're very much aware of all the things that it could turn into, and so you make sure that that initial offering has the scope to encompass all those other elements one day and I think people you know we talked about the creativity we talked about you have this really, you know, cheerful, positive disposition.
Speaker 1:You're very much a giver. I know you're doing a charity walk this week, aren't you, I think, because it's a glow walk. I've done that because I know you're a cancer survivor and you're doing that in aid of Caterbridge, I think, isn't it? Yeah, you know. So you're very passionate about giving back and, externally, paying it forward, supporting all these endeavours, of course. And people will say, gosh, you have it all, if you like and how you dress. You have this beautiful range. In fact, I talked to one of my colleagues, emma, and she was like oh, natalie, the one with the snazzy dresses, you had them for Eurovision when you came and won, uh, our awards, awards you had again beautiful. Is there a story behind the dresses?
Speaker 2:well, I'd say. Evidence of the impact of the dresses happened even today when I was commuting, because my car broke down yesterday and so I was commuting today on the train and seeing it as an opportunity to do something else. So, and then an opportunity presented itself because I was, as I was, waiting to step up at Central Station, there's two skater boys, about 18 or 19, and they're going off. They tell me for a day out exploring Liverpool, but they want to tell me how lovely I look in my outfit and how they really dig the style and the thought processes that went into the hat combination, on the coat and there it is okay. Yeah, it's nice to get a compliment. That's not what it's for.
Speaker 2:I think that it shows people that you're open to have a conversation. I know you're approachable in a sort of fun and happy and positive sort of way, and I've just found that it really opens doors. Yet it does help with people remembering you, so you don't have to start the same conversation over from scratch, because you can pick up where you were from last time. But more so than that. I've always wanted to dress in a certain way. I wanted to always find my style, but as a teenager and a young 20, something I was very much conscious of. What other people would think of that and and the pressures that came from being a woman at a certain time and once you get to a certain age. I say certain, it's because I am certain about what I want, that's the certain age.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that that is one for the tote bag. We always have a tote bag moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not a certain age, I'm just certain that's true, and I said, right, that's it, I'm going to wear the things that I wanted to wear. But what is it? What is it that really, you know, gets me and I just like I've just always loved the look and I'd like to say that what you do is your power. It's not how you dress, it's not a suit, it's not a briefcase. I mean, I I would like to say, as you know as well, we smash things every day. You know, with the things that we do, you don't always see it, all the effort that goes in. You might see the surface of it, you don't see the underbelly of it and we appreciate the majority of it's happening there. It's not the bit that looks great on camera. Yeah, it doesn't make a good social post, you know, but there's a lot of that and peddling, isn't it? Yeah, constantdling.
Speaker 2:And this is just a part of it. So power is the actions and the. You know the achievements, the successes, rather than you know some sort of representation of power that's been created by society. So I guess it's my little act of rebellion.
Speaker 1:Well, you've talked about the purpose. The purpose helped with, if you like, reframing some of that mental health, you know. And now the power how it's not always been happy, has it?
Speaker 2:It's not always you've had.
Speaker 1:You know there have been challenges along the way challenges at school, yeah, and challenges with a relationship. Are you happy to share?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean life for me. I grew up in Toxteth single parent family and you know primary school sort of age was really fun. I can't say that that that wasn't. But then I got to a I would say high school sort of age and I found that the I felt like I was a grown woman when I was very young, probably about 12 or 13. And I felt grown up and I looked grown up and so I remember things in those days and it still probably goes on.
Speaker 2:It's disturbing to think about it now that my own children are getting to that sort of age, but I remember walking to school, as we didn't have the money to to, we didn't have cars, so and I've lived miles away from my secondary school so my walk was about an hour there and an hour back at the end of the school day, going through two parks Prince Prince's Park, sefton Park and I'd be dressed in my school uniform and you would not believe the beeps of the cars, the men in the cars beeping a child in a school uniform, and so you know, it's very easy for somebody who's wanting to prove themselves, who comes from a place where they want success, they want to validate who they are, and so it is easy to get in with the wrong crowd and to think, as a young girl, that you have to be acting in a certain way in order to show that you are grown.
Speaker 2:That can leave you very vulnerable indeed. You think you've got it all sorted, you think you're in control, but in actual fact you're a child and you'll never accept that when you're in control, but in actual fact you're a child and you'll never accept that when you're that age. And so that age women being that age is very important to me. I know how difficult it was for me and it led to a lot of decisions which have only strengthened me now looking back. But they do take pieces of you when you know, if you look back at it now, it's me that went through it. So I guess if it was my daughter I'd go oh my goodness, that's terrible. Because it happened to me.
Speaker 2:I kind of dismiss it as if, oh, it's just something we go through, but I guess in a way you could see a lot of those things as grooming you know, and it makes me annoyed really, because sometimes I do feel like a hypocrite when I talk about it to other young girls or women, because a lot of the time I never took action at that time and you have to make some decisions in your life. Is it useful to actually fight back against those things at this point? You have a lot of people who will say things to you like now think about this, natalie, you're a children's author. You know you're married, you've got children at school. Do you really want to revisit this and and how people will think about it at this stage? And it does put you off them, but you know, there is a certain type of control I think that people have, because we still can't have those conversations about those things. It's like it kind of infects you or you should feel ashamed about it.
Speaker 1:I think that's shame. We talked earlier, didn't we? We had Jenny Guy on the couch a few episodes ago. Why Whispering podcast? And there's that whole obsession around shame. Oh, we can't talk about that. Why? Why are we whispering about it, literally? Why, you know? Why are you getting pulled to one side and go oh, but this doesn't go with your personal brand, this doesn't go with your current bio. But you talking, you being yourself, this has happened to you. But you talking about this will, for other people, go oh, my goodness, I hadn't realised. And actually it's okay. It's okay to talk about it. It's not okay what happened, but it's okay for me now to also talk, because other people have said that to me as well. It doesn't fit with your byline.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you know, for PR, we know it's best to have one focus message. You know, if you start having all these different types of hats, people will think where does she fit in? But you know, I have been the victim of a violent crime before, so I know what that feels like and I know what it feels like to have to make a decision of whether you're going to fight it because you know it's going to be very public. You know, then again, that your decisions, that your personality is going to be called into question, and it's only the part of the process. We need to do it to make sure that the that the right verdict is reached.
Speaker 2:But it's a terribly traumatic experience for a person to go through in order to get some sort of justice at the end, and it can create a hell of a lot of disruption to somebody's life. You have to go out and put your face out in the streets. People don't often say saw that, read about that. So every time you go into a room you don't know if someone's read that article, if someone's heard something. So you go through a kind of adjustment of explaining yourself all the time. Hey, hi, I'm the one. And yes, this, this, this, and they're probably thinking what's she going on about? Yeah, don't know any of those things, but now I do in your toolkit of skills and life.
Speaker 1:What were the you we talked earlier about? You reach for the purpose that helped you deal with certain certain things. What did you have to reach for then? Who or what helped you?
Speaker 2:um, that was a difficult one, I would say. If we have now looking at story arches, um, you have a beginning, a middle. You have some sort of crisis of the soul, a nice sort of ending. The crisis of the soul there often sparks change, and I'd say that after the last incident there, which we've just described, I would say that was where change has happened within me, where you start to realize your worth, you start to realize the choices that you make that aren't serving you. And you've got a decision from here on in, this is who I want to be, this is how I want to play it. I would say that's what I took from that.
Speaker 2:Sometimes we need that moment to just snap us out of this continuance of a cycle. You like you make the wrong choices. You, you're not a bad person. You might just make wrong choices because you, like everyone, you like to believe in the best of people. You know so it. I think people can often detect that in someone and you have to learn how to balance that out against some a bit of logic, a bit of savviness, you know and sort of we're now in the where we are now and your book.
Speaker 1:Do you have a favorite book?
Speaker 2:well, I don't I feel so bad with the people saying, oh my goodness, I am now going to be your favorite child, haven't I?
Speaker 1:that's exactly what I've done, um.
Speaker 2:I've got to say I've loved every part of the animates project, every single one of them. So there's a lot of different versions of the animates depending on what industry the creatures have gone to visit that day. So we've gone to have a little explore around digital and tech and medical, and now we're going into the ports and we're going global, we're going maritime, we're looking at music and all sorts of things. But it's so versatile and it brings so many people together in such a lovely way, because you get heads of different businesses. Uh, you know real, you know top-notch people and we're all talking about what should the panda represent? What's his name? Bam bam boom, yeah, bam bam boom, that's what he's going to be called. But it's just a lovely space to meet people in. You get to know the real them.
Speaker 1:It's been lovely and I'm excited about that. I know you've reached out about the maritime project as well, which I'm really excited because, again, I think this is a really great way by getting by speaking to those top-notch people that you're talking about and me. There's something around. There's a way to re-educate the industries as well. You know the way maritime has been framed, the way, of course, we've talked about digital and tech and STEM, and STEM for years and years, and years and years, but actually there's so much more. There's still. There's the careers that we do and the jobs we don't even know. Same with maritime everything's got. You know so many different spiders going out there, reaching out. So, um, I am very excited. Have you got a name in mind for any of the characters yet?
Speaker 2:the characters are going to remain the same. However, they are going to meet a new person. We haven't quite decided who that's going to be yet there are some contenders.
Speaker 1:We have got a favorite working title of river of life oh nice subject to change, but that's that one was uh our favorite so far and you have a dream, don't you, of a world where education is free and every and available to every child, no matter their background and challenges. Yeah, where are you on that? Because you will make, will make change, you will make a dent in that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say, when you start off with something, I guess you're inventing it yourself. You have an idea of what you think is going to be a useful product, but as you go along you find out what it is you're meant to be creating because people have donated to it. You figure out if things work or not. So it takes on a shape as it progresses, but you need to have something to start with. So we've started that. Each version of it gets continually a bit more relevant, and so one of the new things that I've injected into this process is people and place, so making sure that those stories reflect the people and the opportunities that exist locally, so that we can embed that sort of heritage and history, and I feel ultimately, kids will be able to be more excited about that and it feels more familiar to them. It just has more meaning.
Speaker 1:I feel and I think you know talking today you uh won uh one of our awards at the Northern Power Women Awards and it's really bringing it to life and we always talk about the awards not being for one night. You know we talk about it being part of this bigger community. I know one of our lovely MPW friends, alex Cousins, I think, is now an advisor or works with you as well. Actually, to be honest, that woman gets everywhere that Alex Cousins.
Speaker 1:But she's amazing, it's the Well I'm meeting her after this. Oh, I told you she should have brought her in. We could have got her on the couch, but there's something so giving about the community. Have you found that Feels like a trick question. Now you can't say no, they're rubbish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I guess that's what it is. It's the collaborative nature of Liverpool in itself and Merseyside. You know of Liverpool in itself and Merseyside. You know people do work together there, does it's not for any sort of financial incentive, it's because they want to do, they want to get stuff done, make a difference, yeah, and use their own skills to enhance something. You know if you, I often sit in an in the audience of something, listening to someone talk about their products and I know that by the end of it I'm going to have got roped into something else you probably do the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've got 10 minutes shall be all good. What did it mean to you winning the award?
Speaker 2:oh, it was. It was amazing for a number of reasons really. You know, it's so prestigious and it's such an amazing event to have a pedestal on um. But you know, since that day, which was a rare occasion for us all to be together actually as a team, we're all so busy so often. But since then I became a judge and so I got to see how we were judged. It's hard, isn't it? I felt even more proud because I thought, wow, how on earth, out of all of these people with all of this kind of like regulation and the criteria and the amount of work that goes into it from women for free. Again, thinking about all the different facets of this, and I think that's just amazing that so much consideration goes into each of those choices. And you know, thank you for that. It made me very very proud.
Speaker 1:It is something. We have 70, 70 plus judges and we've got people who've been there from year one and then we always like to bring back our winners. And then you know we've got to be mindful because it's a lot, it's not mission easy. I always say it's not Northern Flaky Women, you know, it's not just something you can just pick up on the train on the way and read. You've got to put some thought and I love that. Almost the competition that sort of sits in the room behind it. You're fighting for strangers you've never met.
Speaker 2:I love where you said who's going to stand up for this one, and we have advocates for each of the different businesses.
Speaker 1:It's like an arm wrestle, isn't it? It is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I loved it. It's a brilliant structure, though, and I think it's considering what you know the award is. It's really important that do that due diligence and take the time on it.
Speaker 1:It is, and I really appreciate every single one of our judges, past and present, who've given hours into the process, but I do appreciate it Now. Natalie, you like making maps, playing pranks?
Speaker 2:I want to know did you?
Speaker 1:find this and eating jelly beans? I do. Is there a hierarchy to that? What is your favourite? What was your best prank?
Speaker 2:Right. Well, in our house it was always really weird. For one, this is the sort of household I grew up in. We had a rhyme day, so one day out of a week we couldn't do anything but speak in rhyme, so that helped with my ability to be able to write poetry.
Speaker 1:Sorry, we do it all the time. Oh, we'll hold pot on this one it was.
Speaker 2:We do it all the time. Oh, we'll hold pot on this. You can't get angry when you're speaking in rhyme.
Speaker 1:Can't rhyme with angry. Sorry, can't do that, that's hard.
Speaker 2:Hungry, hungry. There we go. So yeah, I mean. So that was the sort of household I grew up in, but also where even my grandparents were in on all of this. We'd walk through a door and there'd be cushions balanced on the door so it'd be open just a slither. You'd think I'll never fall for this again. All sorts of things fall through your head. You know Cling film on the loo now, oh no.
Speaker 2:I remember one very random time we moved all of my nan's furniture to one side of the room. So she just walked in no reason whatsoever. We just decided what should we do? Let's just move all the furniture to one side. We just stacked it all up. But then we got bored and my nan's like put it back like aw, see, now it's making sense with these characters for your books to come in from.
Speaker 1:It all came from you. It did favourite colour jellybean.
Speaker 2:Ooh it's gotta be. It's gotta be the pink okay, I'd say the pink or I don't know maybe red?
Speaker 1:Do you know what day of the week it is? Yeah, Well, I'm a blue too, let's, you know let's. There's a whole other pod. Yeah, a handful at once. Sugar rush and maps. That's going to serve you well. Going into the maritime sector next it is.
Speaker 2:I love a good map. When you in the old books you used to read Adventure Started with a map so you knew where everyone lived the whole door and you'd go oh yeah, now they've gone there, so that brings it to life.
Speaker 1:That's what I want on my Audible. You know I like my Audible books, but I want a fold-up map and I want a who's who in the front, because sometimes my attention span's not all there. You know, that's what I need. That's what I need. That's what. I need Please can you make me one of those?
Speaker 2:next time I will do it.
Speaker 1:And what is next for you? Because you're on a train that's not going to stop. You're literally on a train because of the blowout on your car. So thank you for making it here, but what is next for you?
Speaker 2:I would say, you know from here we're taking a bit of the threads is just one, but I guess what I would like to do is get more partners together and be able to offer this resource sustainably. Yeah, add more topics to our offering at the minute, which currently is mental health or planet conservation, and it would be nice to develop some of those products as well. Get some applications. Get some AI, which we've started amazing. And yeah, I just want to. I want to really invent something now, like something. I have got an idea about an invention and I've been talking to people about it, so you never know.
Speaker 1:Know. Get in touch with Natalie. I might be an inventor. Get in touch with Natalie. If you can help if you want to support. It's amazing. You can find out all about the animates, the monster series, all of them. What's your superpower?
Speaker 2:Final question I would say now it's not something I've always had, I was the worst at this it shows that people can become something which they used to admire, because I used to admire people that were super, super efficient. And my efficiency doesn't look anything like someone else's efficiency, it looks like chaos. But there's a method there, and so I would say now my ability to kind of compartmentalize and to switch off from one activity and move on to another quite quickly now, where I can actually stop and then put my mind into a different thing, and I used to represent that by actually taking changes of hats. So when I have dresses on just to mix it up a bit, might switch my belt, switch my hat and kind of that act alone's like right, I'm playing a different role now. So you know, I'm in animates now. I'm in planet pack now.
Speaker 1:I'm being a DL now different hats wow, yeah, I'm now considering my outfits for the next of the day, the rest of the day. Natalie Williams-Williams, you're an absolute legend. Keep being awesome. Thank you for sharing uh so much with us today and thank you for joining us on the we Are Power podcast. Subscribe on YouTube, apple, amazon Music, spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a review or follow us on socials. We are power underscore net on Insta, tiktok and Twitter. We are power on LinkedIn, facebook and we are underscore power on YouTube.
